Confessions of a Hawthorne Fangirl

I'm watching you...and then writing about it.

annieaceofhearts:

imagememories-n-magnolias reblogged your photo: “There was one hold-out. One red card.”

Actually, Jeff (and everyone else) knew from the start that Annie was the one red card. That was the significance of him glaring at Annie in the flashback. Everyone except Annie had voted “Jeff’s way,” which was to kick Pierce out of the group.

Remember, near the beginning of the episode, before we knew the significance of assigned card meanings, Jeff and Annie were snipping at each other over Pierce, Annie holding firm on Pierce still being redeemable, and Jeff snapping that Annie was the only one who actually believed it and still felt sorry for Pierce.

So, the stand-off over Pierce actually is an important scene. It’s the latest example of Annie standing up to Jeff (as she had throughout the whole season, despite the fact that she had a crush on Jeff), and getting no credit for it.

justplaying-thegame:

this ship is going to cause me so much pain, I just know it

Oh, my sweet summer child. You have no idea. None whatsoever.

But you can take some comfort. At least you’re binge-watching it. Imagine going through it in real time.

And we still have the Yahoo Season ahead of us. Early 2015. Don’t forget.

mrswinger7:

liz-marcs:

onceandfuturekiki:

Okay, I finally got the season 5 DVDs and I would love some discussion with other Jeff x Annie shippers, specifically on…

  • The Basic Story Commenty
  • The Basic Sandwich Commentary
  • The Featurette “2 Scripts, 5 Days, No Sleep”

Obvously the Basic Sandwich commentary because of the discussion of the…

I think you have a point that in the “Basic Story” commentary, Dan does come across as trying to pacify J/B shippers with his remarks to an extent. But also I’ve always maintained (and this is just IMHO), that Dan held on to his original plan for J/B, which is that they were ultimately meant to be together in a relationship that was slightly dysfunctional but also met their needs, up until the point when he realized that if he went in that direction he’d have to live with it for the remainder of Community's existence.

The problem seems to be (based on what we see in the doc, Dan’s comments, and comments from Tim Sarcaddo and Andy Bobrow over on reddit) that once they ran out of road and Dan had to finally commit to a fate for J/B and J/A, they simply couldn’t see how they could make J/B work. Not just for the Basic Story/Basic Sandwich arc, but in the broader context of the show itself. In addition (and this is strictly Bobrow saying this), they decided that going with J/A made for better television.

That said, I kind of get what Dan was getting at when he went into his confusing explanation about why he was originally discussing J/B as the ultimate endgame for the episode, and it all comes down to that one word, “familiarity.”

Britta arguably knows Jeff the best out of everyone in the study group. They’ve had an intimate relationship, and she knows the most about how the dynamics of Jeff’s birth family have scarred and twisted him. These are things that Annie simply doesn’t know, in large part because Jeff has hidden those elements from her where he hasn’t done so with Britta. Now, in a sense, he wasn’t entirely wrong to do so. I highly doubt 18 year-old Annie would’ve been able to come close to dealing with it, but the end result is that long after Annie had reached the point where she could deal with it, he was still freezing her out of that aspect of himself. In short, Jeff never gave Annie that chance to be there for him and as a result, she doesn’t get to be there for him when it really matters. That’s hardly Annie’s fault, but that is the end result.

But here’s where it gets interesting. Much as there are aspects of Jeff that Annie knows nothing about (aspects that Britta is intimately familiar with), there are also aspects of Annie that Jeff knows nothing about. We’re not even sure what, if anything, he knows about Annie’s family situation. He’s probably not even aware that Annie harbors a deep well of anger against her mother to the point where it’s almost, but not quite self-sabotaging (which was hinted at in “VCR Maintenance” when her bout of honesty blew up in her face). He certainly thought up until “Basic Sandwich” that Annie’s feelings for him were nothing more than a crush and not very deep.

What’s more, outside of her relationship with Vaughn, we don’t know if Jeff has ever actually seen Annie in an intimate relationship with a man. Abed made an oblique reference to Annie having them in “Cooperative Polygraphy,” but those relationships have never impacted the group in any way since they never even rose to the level of an oblique reference on any episode. 

In a lot of ways (and excuse the phasing that could come across as sexist here), Annie is an undiscovered country for Jeff. As well as he thinks knows her after five years, there’s a lot he simply does not know and a lot of those things he doesn’t know are potential hazards to any theoretical relationship. It could make the relationship impossible to pursue, or make the relationship a disaster once he’s in it. Exacerbating all this is the habit both Jeff and Annie have developed in not being entirely honest or frank in their dealings with each other. While Annie has been more open, even she will go with the pretense that there’s nothing but friendship here, so move it along and don’t discuss it.

I’m not saying that Jeff views Annie as a fantasy figure. I don’t believe that for a second, mostly because he’s well aware of her flaws. What I’m saying is that Jeff is probably more painfully aware (in large part due to experience) of the potential for disaster in trying to pursue a relationship with Annie because there are so many unknown factors. Hell, even on the most basic level, he knows nothing about what she’d be like in bed or whether they’re even sexually compatible.

So, in that context, I get where Dan was going with “the deeper well of love” comment. Jeff and Britta have a strong connection because of their shared past and familiarity with each other. That’s why when the chips were down they went running to each other. They both knew exactly what they’d get out of the deal. But what’s more, if you listen to conversation that led up to the proposal, this is both of them giving up on their dreams. For Britta, it’s to be a therapist and changing the world for the better, even if it’s one person at a time. For Jeff, it’s actually being able to crawl out of the hole he finds himself in. They’re giving in to the system they both hate, so they might as well give in all the way. That’s actually a very sad reason to get married.

Even though Jeff now knows he’s in love with Annie, he does not have that same shared past and familiarity with her. Is a good portion of that love rooted in reality? I would say yes. But there’s also a portion of that love that’s based a little bit on fantasy and a little bit on hope, which may or may not be disappointed in the cold light of reality. Until he lets Annie cross his defenses as much as (preferably more than) he’s let Britta cross his defenses, there’s no way for his relationship with Annie to become strong enough to replace what he’s arguably lost with Britta as a result of the events in “Basic Sandwich.”

I just want to add:  that last paragraph above is a big reason why I hope that when S6 begins, we actually see Jeff and Annie acting like friends and having real conversations with each other. It would go a long way to signal that Jeff is at least trying to open himself up to Annie, and it would go a long way to showing that Annie is on equal footing with Jeff.

Well said. I’ve listened to the DVD commentaries and read comments from Bobrow on Twitter, but for the life of me I can’t find anything about Community from Ridley on Reddit. His only comments on there seem to be about Rick and Morty. Could you give me a link please?

You’re right. It wasn’t Ryan Ridley. It was Tim Sarcaddo. Ryan Ridley was the one who wrote the episode and who confirmed via Twitter that it was Annie who allowed Jeff to feel enough passion to reboot Raquel.

Their comments regarding the finale can be found in this Reddit post:  http://www.reddit.com/r/community/comments/2csct8/community_advanced_television_production/

You’ll have to read through because their comments pop up in the conversations throughout the thread.

onceandfuturekiki:

Okay, I finally got the season 5 DVDs and I would love some discussion with other Jeff x Annie shippers, specifically on…

  • The Basic Story Commenty
  • The Basic Sandwich Commentary
  • The Featurette “2 Scripts, 5 Days, No Sleep”

Obvously the Basic Sandwich commentary because of the discussion of the…

I think you have a point that in the “Basic Story” commentary, Dan does come across as trying to pacify J/B shippers with his remarks to an extent. But also I’ve always maintained (and this is just IMHO), that Dan held on to his original plan for J/B, which is that they were ultimately meant to be together in a relationship that was slightly dysfunctional but also met their needs, up until the point when he realized that if he went in that direction he’d have to live with it for the remainder of Community's existence.

The problem seems to be (based on what we see in the doc, Dan’s comments, and comments from Tim Sarcaddo and Andy Bobrow over on reddit) that once they ran out of road and Dan had to finally commit to a fate for J/B and J/A, they simply couldn’t see how they could make J/B work. Not just for the Basic Story/Basic Sandwich arc, but in the broader context of the show itself. In addition (and this is strictly Bobrow saying this), they decided that going with J/A made for better television.

That said, I kind of get what Dan was getting at when he went into his confusing explanation about why he was originally discussing J/B as the ultimate endgame for the episode, and it all comes down to that one word, “familiarity.”

Britta arguably knows Jeff the best out of everyone in the study group. They’ve had an intimate relationship, and she knows the most about how the dynamics of Jeff’s birth family have scarred and twisted him. These are things that Annie simply doesn’t know, in large part because Jeff has hidden those elements from her where he hasn’t done so with Britta. Now, in a sense, he wasn’t entirely wrong to do so. I highly doubt 18 year-old Annie would’ve been able to come close to dealing with it, but the end result is that long after Annie had reached the point where she could deal with it, he was still freezing her out of that aspect of himself. In short, Jeff never gave Annie that chance to be there for him and as a result, she doesn’t get to be there for him when it really matters. That’s hardly Annie’s fault, but that is the end result.

But here’s where it gets interesting. Much as there are aspects of Jeff that Annie knows nothing about (aspects that Britta is intimately familiar with), there are also aspects of Annie that Jeff knows nothing about. We’re not even sure what, if anything, he knows about Annie’s family situation. He’s probably not even aware that Annie harbors a deep well of anger against her mother to the point where it’s almost, but not quite self-sabotaging (which was hinted at in “VCR Maintenance” when her bout of honesty blew up in her face). He certainly thought up until “Basic Sandwich” that Annie’s feelings for him were nothing more than a crush and not very deep.

What’s more, outside of her relationship with Vaughn, we don’t know if Jeff has ever actually seen Annie in an intimate relationship with a man. Abed made an oblique reference to Annie having them in “Cooperative Polygraphy,” but those relationships have never impacted the group in any way since they never even rose to the level of an oblique reference on any episode. 

In a lot of ways (and excuse the phasing that could come across as sexist here), Annie is an undiscovered country for Jeff. As well as he thinks knows her after five years, there’s a lot he simply does not know and a lot of those things he doesn’t know are potential hazards to any theoretical relationship. It could make the relationship impossible to pursue, or make the relationship a disaster once he’s in it. Exacerbating all this is the habit both Jeff and Annie have developed in not being entirely honest or frank in their dealings with each other. While Annie has been more open, even she will go with the pretense that there’s nothing but friendship here, so move it along and don’t discuss it.

I’m not saying that Jeff views Annie as a fantasy figure. I don’t believe that for a second, mostly because he’s well aware of her flaws. What I’m saying is that Jeff is probably more painfully aware (in large part due to experience) of the potential for disaster in trying to pursue a relationship with Annie because there are so many unknown factors. Hell, even on the most basic level, he knows nothing about what she’d be like in bed or whether they’re even sexually compatible.

So, in that context, I get where Dan was going with “the deeper well of love” comment. Jeff and Britta have a strong connection because of their shared past and familiarity with each other. That’s why when the chips were down they went running to each other. They both knew exactly what they’d get out of the deal. But what’s more, if you listen to conversation that led up to the proposal, this is both of them giving up on their dreams. For Britta, it’s to be a therapist and changing the world for the better, even if it’s one person at a time. For Jeff, it’s actually being able to crawl out of the hole he finds himself in. They’re giving in to the system they both hate, so they might as well give in all the way. That’s actually a very sad reason to get married.

Even though Jeff now knows he’s in love with Annie, he does not have that same shared past and familiarity with her. Is a good portion of that love rooted in reality? I would say yes. But there’s also a portion of that love that’s based a little bit on fantasy and a little bit on hope, which may or may not be disappointed in the cold light of reality. Until he lets Annie cross his defenses as much as (preferably more than) he’s let Britta cross his defenses, there’s no way for his relationship with Annie to become strong enough to replace what he’s arguably lost with Britta as a result of the events in “Basic Sandwich.”

I just want to add:  that last paragraph above is a big reason why I hope that when S6 begins, we actually see Jeff and Annie acting like friends and having real conversations with each other. It would go a long way to signal that Jeff is at least trying to open himself up to Annie, and it would go a long way to showing that Annie is on equal footing with Jeff.

lightedwindows:

bobsgifs:

behindbobsburgers:

All right!

WOOOO!!

Most anticipated premiere of the season for me? Oh, god, YES.

Reblogging because, YES!

itsoneofthemuses:

Hi!

I co-mod the Jeff/Annie shipping community over on Livejournal and it’s a pretty active place.  I know that a lot of fandom activities have ventured over to Tumblr so I thought I would go ahead and put this out here…

Tomorrow, we’re going to host our first ever Fanworks Clutch (working title, okay?) in which anyone who writes, vids, blogs, mixes or otherwise participates in creating fanworks for the Jeff/Annie pairing is welcome to gather and discuss and interact.  If you consume fanworks, you’re welcome too.

The goal is to help authors and artists get past their blocks and ruts and foster a community post where they can bounce ideas and thoughts and plot points off of each other.  Whether you have time to beta or you just want to share your background music…  Please drop by and leave a comment.

We’ve been having some great discussions over on the weekly series rewatch discussion posts and we’re looking at doing this every month on the last Friday of the month (replacing our usual Ficcy Friday prompting post), if you can’t make it this time around.

Please reblog and tag anyone you think might be interested!

(off the top of my head: nyclove3, hello-wright-or-wrong, funkapus, giggliographies, geekinthejeep, itsactuallycorrine, lunarblue21, liz-marcs, milady-annie, @magic-is-might92, onceandfuturekiki, rashaka, sinecute, sluthouseestopthenrewind, @teruel-a-witch, thecanadianspaniard, virtual-toast, wallowsinthecloud)

Signal boost.

Can I just say how happy I am to see more Better of Ted things happening on my dash?

(via kettledear)

tamorapierce:

What gives them the right?  What gives these pignutted maggot-riddled sewer crawlers the right to question any woman’s medical history, particularly such a painful one?  Would this grunting, strutting, anus-picking parody of a writer have dared to ask any male candidate/ autobiographer if he had sired any out-of-wedlock progeny or paid a woman to have an abortion?  Would he have taken counsel of the local psyocibin tripper or hookah-smoking caterpillar for similarly accurate Timothy Leary factoids on the health needs of male procreation gone wrong?

This Neanderthal’s article and methods alike are obscene.  He rubs up against a spokesquisling from Texas Right to Life for his “facts,” and demands medical records of Davis’s campaign—documents that aren’t even available to her former spouse, let alone campaign folk or manure-grubbing online yapturds.

And Horne of Texas Right to Life is working for the wrong outfit, since she doesn’t appear to know that her “4% of abortions concerning physical health” includes Davis’s ectopic pregnancy, one of which occurs in 19.7 per 1,000 pregnancies (Josie L. Tenore, M.D.’s 2/2000 article in American Family Physician; <http://www.aafp.org/afp/2000/0215/p1080.html>) or 1 in 100 pregnancies (Patient UK webpage <http://www.patient.co.uk/health/ectopic-pregnancy-leaflet#>).  Horne’s out-of-her-ass figures don’t even cover the life-threatening ectopic pregnancy alone.

How long will American women and even decent American men swallow this swill?  How long will they let these hedge-crawling mawworms dictate our national discourse?  When will we make it clear to these scandal suckers that we will not tolerate this kind of treatment of women, no matter what their field—whether it is politics, film, diplomacy,  secretarial work, or sales?

We sit by and watch these parasites sell women as sexual objects, the deserving victims of violence, the careless destroyers of lives, and the two-faced peddlers of sin.  It’s been happening on the campaign trail, in elevators, online, on the street, in homes, on television.  When is this going to stop?  Women of color, poor women, working women, little girls, grown women, mothers, grandmothers, daughters, middle class women, students, film stars, politicians, heads of state, singers, secretaries, waitresses, maids, nannies, white women, women on buses, women on their way home, women in bars, women on stage, women at home.  None of our bodies are safe.  None of our thoughts or utterances are respected.  None of our works are given parity with even lesser works by men.

When does it stop?  We do we stop being other?  When do we stop fighting each other?  When do we stop being separate, secondary, lower, different, disregarded, disgusting, contemptible, useless, throwaway?

When?

Reblogged for rage.

(via arasigyrn)

norabombay:

Well this just happened.  Sometimes you nuke them from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

My arrow wounded up pointing to someone reblogging this arrow, so big fail for me.

Then norabombay reblogged what it looked like on her dash.

Thanks, darlin’!

marysocontrary1:

lady-danute-titania-mormont:

thatravenclawbitch:

just-keep-diving-down-the-hole:

peeho1e:

askthemariobros:

rainbow-dash-101:

at the risk of this going horribly im going to do this

reblogging this
because i’ll regret it

i accept

This isn’t going to end well

On my dash, there’s a 90% chance of it being Robert Carlyle.

you won’t believe… XD

Well going by what showed up on mine it’s Chris Pine shaking his booty. No pictures or gifs, just a comment from someone else. I haven’t seen the video, so no. 

Curious to see where this ends up&#8230;

marysocontrary1:

lady-danute-titania-mormont:

thatravenclawbitch:

just-keep-diving-down-the-hole:

peeho1e:

askthemariobros:

rainbow-dash-101:

at the risk of this going horribly im going to do this

reblogging this

because i’ll regret it

i accept

This isn’t going to end well

On my dash, there’s a 90% chance of it being Robert Carlyle.

you won’t believe… XD

Well going by what showed up on mine it’s Chris Pine shaking his booty. No pictures or gifs, just a comment from someone else. I haven’t seen the video, so no. 

Curious to see where this ends up…

(via onceandfuturekiki)

liz-marcs:

kalliopestarmist:

This was the actual platform that they ran him on.

Cannot. Stop. Laughing.

Reblogging because I stumbled across this. Still laughing at the truth bomb presented here.

A rare still of Shirley and Annie.

I love this picture because it perfectly illustrates the dark side of both Shirley’s and Annie’s leadership styles.

It’s Shirley’s Regina George (the Queen Bee who surrounds herself with sycophants) meets Annie’s Iago (the manipulative power behind the throne).

subversivegrrl:

ragingbitchfest:

starrose17:

marmolita:

When:

  • if you were up to date your computer was probably running windows 95
  • there was no standard word processing application (I used Word Perfect, who remembers that one?)
  • “the internet” was usually synonymous with…

You’re forgetting Usenet!

Which mostly existed before there was a WWW or Internet Navigator. (Whoops! I’m outing my age. Potentially.) I remember the day Google bought Usenet and turned it into Google Groups. Which doesn’t exist any more. 

Plus:  I was an Alta Vista GODDESS! I knew all the tricks to make those search results more accurate (BOOLEAN EXPRESSIONS FTW!)

Also, too:  GET OFF MY LAWN!

onceandfuturekiki:

If you have any interest in film at all, I would really appreciate it if you followed my film blog. I initially set it up because the Rotten Tomatoes forums shut down, and I wanted a place where my friends from there could find me without having to wade through all of my fandom stuff.

But I spent a lot of yesterday applying for scholarships and looking into film programs at the colleges I’m applying to. I also spent some time talking to family and friends about my plans for the future, and the possibility of finally publishing my book about Pre-Code Hollywood.

I’m going to be studying film history. I intend to get my doctorate and go into teaching and archiving, specifically preservation. I’d also like to write about film history and, as I mentioned, I’ve already been working on one about pre-code Hollywood.

Having a place where I exclusively talk about film, where my work can be found, is something that has the potential to be very important in my future education and career. And it would be even better if that place had a decent amount of followers. Not just because being somewhat known would raise my profile in the film history community, but also because being able to answer questions thoroughly and partake in discussion is something that really matters in the field.

So I would really super appreciate it if you followed my blog and, if you would be really super duper awesome and sweet, reblog this post and share with anyone you know who is a little bit interested in film. 

And I’ll always be thrilled to answer any questions, partake in any discussions about anything film related, not just classic film/film history related over at Kiki Talks Movies.

Reblogging for the film buffs on my dash.

I have developed a certain fondness for the men’s rights activists know as MRA’s, or more colloquially:  ‘Restraining-Order-Americans.’

Normally you would have to turn to PETA or Code Pink to find a group whose words and deeds are so completely detrimental to their aims and just make people go, “Ugh, pass.” But the MRA’s are special …. and yes, I mean they are ‘special’ in a very ‘special’ way.  Like libertarians , they sound perfectly rational for the first ten minutes or so and then –suddenly and without warning — the crazy starts to bubble up to the surface and a new chapter in the DSM-5 is born.

In doing some research on these jolly fellows –BECAUSE I WANT TO BE FAIR — I discovered a delightful hither-to unbeknownst to me acronym: MGTOW, which I came to learn  means: Men Going Their Own Way.

I have followed the fabulous Tbogg (aka the fabulous Tom Boggioni) since the beginning of his blogging career when he had his own little porch on teh Internets (that series of tubes).

He is always on point, and always hilarious. I recommend a regular dose of reading him. His take on the MRAs is hilarious  and spot-on.

Also, to:  if you’re someone who generally avoids the comments, especially when it comes to MRAs, have no fear in this case. The commenters on this one really do pound the MRAs to paste. It’s like a wordy equivalent of whack-a-mole.